30cal Carbine round

The Book · December 8, 2010, 07:05 PM

Got to thinking and has there been a 30cal carbine semi auto pistol ? I got to looking and found a rovolver.

ML41887 · December 8, 2010, 07:08 PM

Yes, M1 Carbine.

MLeake · December 8, 2010, 07:17 PM

In which case, AMT made an AutoMag in .30 carbine. Here's an ad for one that apparently sold at auction back in May:

http://www.auctionarms.com/search/di...temnum=9671979

Looks like too long a grip for most shooters.

Apparently, a company called Kimball Arms made a semi-auto in the late 50's, but they didn't last long.

Cheapshooter · December 8, 2010, 07:19 PM

Quote:

Yes, M1 Carbine.

Being posted here I am assuming the OP meant a pistol
Yes, the Automag: http://www.google.com/images?hl=en&r...w=1008&bih=655

The Book · December 8, 2010, 07:19 PM

Thanks mleake! That is one long barrel and ugly lol

The Book · December 8, 2010, 07:20 PM

Yep left out the pistol part

Magnum Wheel Man · December 8, 2010, 07:22 PM

I have one ( along with the other AMT Automags ) & it's a blast to shoot... yes the grip is wide... but I have big hands, & I've even added a finger groove slip on cover...

Bill DeShivs · December 8, 2010, 07:46 PM

Plainfield, Iver Johnson, and Universal made pistol versions of the M1 carbine.
Ruger made the Blackhawk single action in .30 carbine.

MLeake · December 8, 2010, 07:49 PM

... pretty sure the Iver Johnson was called the "Enforcer" pistol.

I always thought of them more as sawed-off carbines, but they were legally sold as pistols.

ML41887 · December 8, 2010, 07:54 PM

I'm sorry, I must have missed the pistol part.

WC145 · December 8, 2010, 07:56 PM

The Automag III was the .30 Carbine version.

It was Universal that made the "Enforcer" pistol. Here's mine-

The Book · December 8, 2010, 08:00 PM

That one is pretty!

MLeake · December 8, 2010, 08:02 PM

... I don't know if Iver Johnson and Universal had any sort of production agreements, but Iver Johnson also made an "Enforcer" M1 Carbine pistol.

from imfdb.org

Here's one that sold on gunsamerica.com:
http://www.gunsamerica.com/950799397...ine_Pistol.htm

WC145 · December 8, 2010, 08:11 PM

Huh. Maybe all of the pistol versions were called Enforcers. Mine's stamped "ENFORCER" on the receiver just in front of the rear sight.

abelacres · December 8, 2010, 08:22 PM

WC145- That's an awesome gun.

How long have you had that one?

How much did it cost you (if you don't mind me asking)?

I saw one just like it at my local Pawn shop last week...
(Transcript of the incedent)
Pawn Pusher: Hey guy! I've got something I bet you've never seen...
Me: Oh really? (He always gets me with that)
Pawn Pusher: Yep a M1 carbine PISTOL!
Me: (salivating) That's perfect! Exactly what I need!
Pawn Pusher: I could let you have it for, say, $600
Me: Let me call my wife...

Me: Honey, you'll NEVER belive what T has at the Pawn Shop!
Wife: NO.
Me:

(This happens more than I would like to admit. I should have listened to the Pawn Pusher and bought that 686 instead of an engagement ring...)

WC145 · December 8, 2010, 08:40 PM

ableacres-
I got it this summer in a trade with a gun show dealer. He'd had the gun displayed at a few different shows over the last year and a half or so and each time I'd look it over and then walk away. Finally he was at a small local show and we worked out a trade that I recall being very fair to both of us. He had the gun tagged for $500 and that included the gun, the original mag, the two extended mags, 100rds of ammo, and a generic case. I had absolutely no reason to buy it other than the cool factor and that I'd be the only kid on my block that has one.
Plus it keeps my 5.56 PLR-16 from feeling lonely!

Buzzcook · December 8, 2010, 08:42 PM

I didn't know those were legally pistols. I always thought they were paratrooper models with the wire stock removed and a pistol grip added

Bill DeShivs · December 8, 2010, 09:07 PM

All three were called "Enforcers."
Plainfield was bought by Iver Johnson, and then I.J. bought Universal.
The Universal versions were not G.I. compatible. The Plainfield and I.J. models were. I.J. even sold an m-2 machinegun version.
I have a stainless I.J. Enforcer (semi.)

**44 AMP** · December 9, 2010, 12:55 AM

Besides the Enforcers, the Ruger Blackhawk in .30 Carbine, the Automag III, there is one other, extremely rare, called the Kimball.

Looking like an oversize High Standard .22, the gun was made in the mid-late 1950s, and went out of production somewhere around 300 (238) units.

It used a delayed blowback system (a ringed chamber) and its slide impacted a pin at the end of its travel, which proved very prone to breakage, releasing the slide to contiune on to the shooter's face.

Two samples were tested by the NRA in 1955, both broke quite soon. One was tested by Guns magazine, and its slide lugs fractured on the 192nd round!

There are a few of these pistols in the hands of collectors, one reported going for about $2k on GunsAmerica a few years ago.

Based on the info I found from a quick google, I wouldn't recommend shooting one!

Sevens · December 9, 2010, 08:55 AM

Addendum to the Kimball -- a guy showed up here on TFL a couple of years ago to say that he had a BOX of Kimball frames and parts. He showed pictures. Lots of rust, not totally sure what you'd do with them... but still pretty cool. Like a time capsule.

A search will reveal the thread. Not sure if the images are still around.

sigxder · December 10, 2010, 01:19 AM

AMT made an auto called the Javelina (don't know if the spelling is correct) that fired the M1 carbine cartridge. Haven't seen one in years. At an indoor range many years ago and the guy in the next both was shooting one. Man was it loud. He really like the gun though. But dropping the gun from a 16inch rifle barrel will probably really effect velocity. Plus ammo has gotten real expensive for them. Not like when all the old military stuff was floating around years ago.

KyJim · December 10, 2010, 03:03 AM

The Thompson Contender comes in .30 Carbine. Not as cool as some of the others, but it can be had.

proxpilot · December 10, 2010, 06:52 AM

you think those would work IWB??

m.p.driver · December 10, 2010, 07:02 AM

Grendel P30 was out for a few years back in the 90's

MLeake · December 10, 2010, 07:02 AM

... no, but maybe in one of these:

Sam Andrews designed these for some police officer friends of his.

http://andrewsleather.com

December 8, 2010, 07:05 PM	#1
The Book Member Join Date: November 4, 2010 Location: Eastern Ks Posts: 72	30cal Carbine round Got to thinking and has there been a 30cal carbine semi auto pistol ? I got to looking and found a rovolver. Last edited by The Book; December 8, 2010 at 07:20 PM.

December 8, 2010, 07:17 PM	#3
MLeake Senior Member Join Date: November 15, 2007 Location: Outside KC, MO Posts: 10,128	He means a semi-auto handgun, most likely, asking in this forum. In which case, AMT made an AutoMag in .30 carbine. Here's an ad for one that apparently sold at auction back in May: http://www.auctionarms.com/search/di...temnum=9671979 Looks like too long a grip for most shooters. Apparently, a company called Kimball Arms made a semi-auto in the late 50's, but they didn't last long.

December 8, 2010, 07:22 PM	#7
Magnum Wheel Man Senior Member Join Date: July 26, 2006 Location: Southern Minnesota Posts: 9,333	I have one ( along with the other AMT Automags ) & it's a blast to shoot... yes the grip is wide... but I have big hands, & I've even added a finger groove slip on cover... __________________ In life you either make dust or eat dust...

December 8, 2010, 07:46 PM	#8
Bill DeShivs Senior Member Join Date: April 7, 2006 Posts: 10,991	Plainfield, Iver Johnson, and Universal made pistol versions of the M1 carbine. Ruger made the Blackhawk single action in .30 carbine. __________________ Bill DeShivs, Master Cutler www.billdeshivs.com

December 8, 2010, 07:49 PM	#9
MLeake Senior Member Join Date: November 15, 2007 Location: Outside KC, MO Posts: 10,128	I'd forgotten those... ... pretty sure the Iver Johnson was called the "Enforcer" pistol. I always thought of them more as sawed-off carbines, but they were legally sold as pistols.

December 8, 2010, 07:08 PM	#2
ML41887 Member Join Date: November 28, 2010 Posts: 40	Yes, M1 Carbine.

December 8, 2010, 07:19 PM	#5
The Book Member Join Date: November 4, 2010 Location: Eastern Ks Posts: 72	Thanks mleake! That is one long barrel and ugly lol

December 8, 2010, 07:20 PM	#6
The Book Member Join Date: November 4, 2010 Location: Eastern Ks Posts: 72	Yep left out the pistol part

December 8, 2010, 07:54 PM	#10
ML41887 Member Join Date: November 28, 2010 Posts: 40	I'm sorry, I must have missed the pistol part.

December 8, 2010, 07:56 PM	#11
WC145 Senior Member Join Date: October 18, 2008 Location: Downeast Maine Posts: 1,836	The Automag III was the .30 Carbine version. It was Universal that made the "Enforcer" pistol. Here's mine- __________________ "If violent crime is to be curbed, it is only the intended victim who can do it. The felon does not fear the police, and he fears neither judge or jury. Therefore what he must be taught to fear is his victim." - LtCol Jeff Cooper

December 8, 2010, 08:00 PM	#12
The Book Member Join Date: November 4, 2010 Location: Eastern Ks Posts: 72	That one is pretty!

December 8, 2010, 08:02 PM	#13
MLeake Senior Member Join Date: November 15, 2007 Location: Outside KC, MO Posts: 10,128	WC145... ... I don't know if Iver Johnson and Universal had any sort of production agreements, but Iver Johnson also made an "Enforcer" M1 Carbine pistol. from imfdb.org Here's one that sold on gunsamerica.com: http://www.gunsamerica.com/950799397...ine_Pistol.htm

December 8, 2010, 08:11 PM	#14
WC145 Senior Member Join Date: October 18, 2008 Location: Downeast Maine Posts: 1,836	Huh. Maybe all of the pistol versions were called Enforcers. Mine's stamped "ENFORCER" on the receiver just in front of the rear sight. __________________ "If violent crime is to be curbed, it is only the intended victim who can do it. The felon does not fear the police, and he fears neither judge or jury. Therefore what he must be taught to fear is his victim." - LtCol Jeff Cooper

December 8, 2010, 08:22 PM	#15
abelacres Senior Member Join Date: August 5, 2010 Location: Jackson County Florida Posts: 207	WC145- That's an awesome gun. How long have you had that one? How much did it cost you (if you don't mind me asking)? I saw one just like it at my local Pawn shop last week... (Transcript of the incedent) Pawn Pusher: Hey guy! I've got something I bet you've never seen... Me: Oh really? (He always gets me with that) Pawn Pusher: Yep a M1 carbine PISTOL! Me: (salivating) That's perfect! Exactly what I need! Pawn Pusher: I could let you have it for, say, $600 Me: Let me call my wife... Me: Honey, you'll NEVER belive what T has at the Pawn Shop! Wife: NO. Me: (This happens more than I would like to admit. I should have listened to the Pawn Pusher and bought that 686 instead of an engagement ring...) __________________ If something seems too good to be true it's best to shoot at it just to be sure

December 8, 2010, 08:40 PM	#16
WC145 Senior Member Join Date: October 18, 2008 Location: Downeast Maine Posts: 1,836	ableacres- I got it this summer in a trade with a gun show dealer. He'd had the gun displayed at a few different shows over the last year and a half or so and each time I'd look it over and then walk away. Finally he was at a small local show and we worked out a trade that I recall being very fair to both of us. He had the gun tagged for $500 and that included the gun, the original mag, the two extended mags, 100rds of ammo, and a generic case. I had absolutely no reason to buy it other than the cool factor and that I'd be the only kid on my block that has one. Plus it keeps my 5.56 PLR-16 from feeling lonely! __________________ "If violent crime is to be curbed, it is only the intended victim who can do it. The felon does not fear the police, and he fears neither judge or jury. Therefore what he must be taught to fear is his victim." - LtCol Jeff Cooper

December 8, 2010, 08:42 PM	#17
Buzzcook Senior Member Join Date: November 29, 2007 Location: Everett, WA Posts: 6,126	I didn't know those were legally pistols. I always thought they were paratrooper models with the wire stock removed and a pistol grip added

December 8, 2010, 09:07 PM	#18
Bill DeShivs Senior Member Join Date: April 7, 2006 Posts: 10,991	All three were called "Enforcers." Plainfield was bought by Iver Johnson, and then I.J. bought Universal. The Universal versions were not G.I. compatible. The Plainfield and I.J. models were. I.J. even sold an m-2 machinegun version. I have a stainless I.J. Enforcer (semi.) __________________ Bill DeShivs, Master Cutler www.billdeshivs.com

December 9, 2010, 12:55 AM	#19
44 AMP Staff Join Date: March 11, 2006 Location: Upper US Posts: 28,898	Besides the Enforcers, the Ruger Blackhawk in .30 Carbine, the Automag III, there is one other, extremely rare, called the Kimball. Looking like an oversize High Standard .22, the gun was made in the mid-late 1950s, and went out of production somewhere around 300 (238) units. It used a delayed blowback system (a ringed chamber) and its slide impacted a pin at the end of its travel, which proved very prone to breakage, releasing the slide to contiune on to the shooter's face. Two samples were tested by the NRA in 1955, both broke quite soon. One was tested by Guns magazine, and its slide lugs fractured on the 192nd round! There are a few of these pistols in the hands of collectors, one reported going for about $2k on GunsAmerica a few years ago. Based on the info I found from a quick google, I wouldn't recommend shooting one! __________________ All else being equal (and it almost never is) bigger bullets tend to work better.

December 9, 2010, 08:55 AM	#20
Sevens Senior Member Join Date: July 28, 2007 Location: Ohio Posts: 11,756	Addendum to the Kimball -- a guy showed up here on TFL a couple of years ago to say that he had a BOX of Kimball frames and parts. He showed pictures. Lots of rust, not totally sure what you'd do with them... but still pretty cool. Like a time capsule. A search will reveal the thread. Not sure if the images are still around. __________________ *Attention Brass rats and other reloaders:* I really need .327 Federal Magnum brass, no lot size too small. Tell me what caliber you need and I'll see what I have to swap. PM me and we'll discuss.

December 10, 2010, 01:19 AM	#21
sigxder Senior Member Join Date: August 20, 2009 Posts: 390	AMT made an auto called the Javelina (don't know if the spelling is correct) that fired the M1 carbine cartridge. Haven't seen one in years. At an indoor range many years ago and the guy in the next both was shooting one. Man was it loud. He really like the gun though. But dropping the gun from a 16inch rifle barrel will probably really effect velocity. Plus ammo has gotten real expensive for them. Not like when all the old military stuff was floating around years ago.

December 10, 2010, 03:03 AM	#22
KyJim Senior Member Join Date: July 26, 2005 Location: The Bluegrass Posts: 9,142	The Thompson Contender comes in .30 Carbine. Not as cool as some of the others, but it can be had.

December 10, 2010, 06:52 AM	#23
proxpilot Senior Member Join Date: September 9, 2010 Location: High Point, NC Posts: 588	you think those would work IWB?? __________________ W. German SIG Sauer p226 W. German SIG Sauer P6 Springfield Armory XD-S

December 10, 2010, 07:02 AM	#24
m.p.driver Senior Member Join Date: January 25, 2009 Location: Ohio Posts: 552	Grendel P30 was out for a few years back in the 90's

December 10, 2010, 07:02 AM	#25
MLeake Senior Member Join Date: November 15, 2007 Location: Outside KC, MO Posts: 10,128	IWB.... ... no, but maybe in one of these: Sam Andrews designed these for some police officer friends of his. http://andrewsleather.com Last edited by MLeake; December 10, 2010 at 07:04 AM. Reason: added photos and link