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What is the difference between nosić and nieść ?Feel free to just provide example sentences.
What is the difference between nosić and nieść ?Feel free to just provide example sentences.
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Nosić is a form that refers to activity that you repeat in some longer period of time, or you do habitually. E.g. Powinieneś nosić ze sobą chusteczki.
Nieść refers to a single episode, single activity of carrying sth. E.g. Pojechał nieść pomoc mieszkańcom afryki. / Czy możesz nieść tę pizzę prosto?
I'm not sure if you're going to get this difference, it's pretty subtle, especially for a beginner user of polish. I hope my explanation will help somehow, or sb will do it better.
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Thank you for trying to help. It would have been better if you had traslated your Polish sentences into English. I really didn't understand the African example.
I have been looking into it and so far this is what I understad:
Nosić = I carry (take) my phone with me wherever I go.
Nieść = I carry my shopping.
Please correct me if I am wrong.
I have been looking into it and so far this is what I understad:
Nosić = I carry (take) my phone with me wherever I go.
Nieść = I carry my shopping.
Please correct me if I am wrong.
- Polish
▪︎nosić is an unperfective verb for regular, repetitive or ongoing actions
▪︎nieść is a perfective verb for single actions
You just need to learn the difference between perfective and imperfective verbs and all the verbs will be easy for you.
https://learnpolishtoday.com/lessons/polish-imp...
https://blogs.transparent.com/polish/verb-aspec...
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Thank you for the links. I still can't get my head round it.
From the examples I have seen for the word to mean "carry", I thought "nosić" meant to carry with you like your phone or passport, while "nieść" meant to lift and carry, like a baby or a sack of potatoes.
In the link it says that a perfective verb is one that is finished. But in my mind that makes it the past tense.
An inperfective verb is habitual action that keeps on happening. This sounds a bit like the English ing form.
I understand that you have different aspects, but I would have thought that you would have a basic verb that could be changed depending on which aspect you want to use.
When looking at a list of verbs, it seems that I am more familiar with the imperfective ones. I am therefore assuming that this is the form more commonly used in dictionaries.
I am putting together a small Polish dictionary. This is why I am asking about the best form for a dictionary.
From the examples I have seen for the word to mean "carry", I thought "nosić" meant to carry with you like your phone or passport, while "nieść" meant to lift and carry, like a baby or a sack of potatoes.
In the link it says that a perfective verb is one that is finished. But in my mind that makes it the past tense.
An inperfective verb is habitual action that keeps on happening. This sounds a bit like the English ing form.
I understand that you have different aspects, but I would have thought that you would have a basic verb that could be changed depending on which aspect you want to use.
When looking at a list of verbs, it seems that I am more familiar with the imperfective ones. I am therefore assuming that this is the form more commonly used in dictionaries.
I am putting together a small Polish dictionary. This is why I am asking about the best form for a dictionary.
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Yes, nosić is like you always nosisz something with you and nieść is like you grab something and carry it (are carrying it), also eg.:
▪︎Zawsze noszę przy sobie klucze. — I always carry my keys with me. (INP)
▪︎Teraz niosę w rękach pudełko. — Now I am carrying a box in my hands. (P)
▪︎Zawsze nosiłam klucze. — I always carried my keys. (INP)
▪︎Niosłam klucze i nagle je upuściłam. — I was carrying my keys and suddenly dropped them. (P)
"An inperfective verb is habitual action that keeps on happening. This sounds a bit like the English ing form."
Yes but it's also expressed with the "to" form in English, I guess? 🤔 That's a tricky one.
No, we treat the verbs in different aspects as two separate verbs. They are connected but they are separate. In the dictionary you can find both of them: nieść and nosić.
You can write both of the forms and one definition. I think it would be best.
eg. nieść (P)/ nosić (IMP) — to carry
I think it just needs some practice. 😄
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Thank you. Are some verbs used more in the imperfective aspect and others in the perfective aspect depending on their meanings? Do you think it would look bad if a dictionary had some verbs in perfective and some in inperfective?
- Polish
@azlanguages I guess not, it's all about the situation! We use them equally often, more or less. 🤔 That's my impression.
I think in the Polish section in a dictionary you can find both inperfective and perfective verbs but in the English section there can be only one version. Maybe it depends.
For example I looked up the word "carry" in my dictionary and I found this. You have only the inperfective form of the verb but in the point 4 you have the perfective form in a bit different context. 🤷♀️ I guess it just depends.
In the Polish section I could find both "nieść" and "nosić".
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Thank you for the pic. Your dictionary is a proper dictionary with examples, explanations and various meanings. My dictionary is very basic with only the most common words where "carry" only means to lift something and take it from A to B and "catch" is like to catch a ball and not to catch a cold or a train. All the other words are interesting for me if I go to Poland and want to speak Polish, but for my dictionary I only need basic words.
- Polish
@azlanguages Yes but it has more examples in English without Polish translations.
Yes, basics are the most important!
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You've probably noticed that Polish language has fewer tenses than English. That's because In Polish language we have aspectual pairs of verbs (czasownik dokonany/czasownik niedokonany) - it means two verbs are connected semantically (by its meaning) but not gramatically. Gramatically dokonany i niedokonany are two different verbs. In general, they correspond to the simple (dokonany/perfective) and continous (niedokonany/imperfective) tenses in the English language but of course this is a big generalization. The Perfect and Perfect Continuous tenses do not have Polish equivalents and each of them should be approached individually.
Here is a more precise explanation of what functions perfective and imperfective verbs have.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grammatical_aspec...
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